we can't take tough language, as if, i don't know that this is -- i don't want to say "leave it the beaver" because that was a favorite growing up as a kid but in the world of cable news battles we see every day, where is this story line coming up that women who are watching last night would shriek and be afraid of them? i believe that's what they say, we can't take it or too emotional. where does this come from other than one woman expressed the thought. >> individual opinions may vary but talking about rudeness, look at mitt romney talked to candy crowly last night and dismissively treated her and didn't listen to her. >> she fought back. >> she absolutely did. yeah. it's absurd to suggest that women are meek and shrink back from this. there's politeness and then there's disrespectful. >> a double standard, too. everybody was saying joe biden's so aggressive, too much. now this week nobody's compla complaining about mitt romney. he was incredibly a bully last night. >> to your point two weeks prior, the president wasn't tough enough and now people saying he was too tough this time around